samsayatma vinasyati

“ajnas casraddadhanas ca samsayatma vinasyati|

nayam loko ‘sti na paro na sukham samsayatmanah||”

Translation – “The one who is ignorant who doesn’t have trust and who is a skeptic perish. They do not have this ordinary life or the higher life. There is no sense of well being for the skeptic.”

It is like a blow on the brain not just mind. Sometime blow on the mind you don’t catch it that strongly. so blow on the brain is the only way. Beautiful word ‘samsayatma vinasyati’. It is a shock, powerful shock Bhagavan gives. I know for sure many of the orthodox idiots of those days would have screamed at Bhagavan – how dare you say vinasyati ? See…its like…imagine….I won’t do it. Imagine suddenly I say all the fellows who have opposed me, who are doubting me, let them all vomit blood and die! Then understand how much of opposition I will attract and how it will be shocking for people. First thing all the fellows will say – how dare! This fellow tells all these things? How can an enlightened person say all these types of words? You will scream too many thousands of foolish things. That is why I am not saying it, I am saying Bhagavan is saying :=). But when I repeat, I mean it. Understand it is a strong word Bhagavan is using – ‘vinasyati’.

When He says ‘samsayatma vinasyati’, He means I think now He is almost fed up of Arjuna and his dirty ignorance. See there is something called as ‘sweet ignorance’. Means when a disciple is ignorant, he comes to you with a suffering, you sit with him and you offer the solution, he imbibes it and stands up with life and light. It is such a sweet ignorance. Even ignorance can add sweetness to you and your master. When you stand up, when you are out, even ignorance can be sweet. But this is too much, I think it would have gone to the extreme. I kknow how Krishna’s face would have been when He uttered this word – samsayatma vinasyati!. He must have been really, really, really tired of Arjuna’s dirty ignorance. I won’t even say dirty ignorance. I tell you all dirty ignorance is clear arrogant doubting of the authenticity of the Master Himself. I have seen when some disciples are in depression, suffering. When i call and give them the solution, if they don’t practice, if they don’t want to come out of the depression, I will always cearly see that they are doubting the very authenticity of Me.  The moment you doubt the authenticity of Me, I cannot help you. See it is like you are struggling in the ocean screaming for My help, I am sitting on the ship and sending a rope to you – “Please hold this rope I will lift you”. If you say, no, I don’t even know how to hold the rope, I am struggling even for that, then I can atleast come down, and hold you by the hand and lift you up.  But, if you doubt the very authenticity – aah, who knows after taking me to the ship You will kill me or not, after taking me into the ship You may kill me, what will happen ?. When you doubt the very authenticity, the purpose of rescuing – bye! I can’t even say good bye! I can only say bye.

I think Bhagavan is seeing Arjuna doubting the very authenticity of Krishna. He is fed up, sick and tired. Otherwise in this 700 verses of Bhagavad Gita, not a single verse other than this where Bhagavan curses people. Even in Anu Gita. See Bhagavan has written two books, one  is Bhagavad Gita, another is Anu Geeta. Both are written by Bhagavan. In both the books, other than this one verse, nowhere He curses. This is the only recorder evidence of any enlightened being cursing. Please understand any incarnation cursing and that curse being recorded is nowhere, nowhere. There is not a single evidence, recorded evidence of Shiva cursing in his own words. Of course by the disciples words it is there. In His own words, not a single record. Not a single record of Adi Shankara cursing in His own words, not a single record of Rmaa cursing in His own words. Not a single record in their own words recorded throughout the History other than this one verse. Neither Ramana Maharshi nor Ramakrishna or Sri Krishna or Ramachandra Prabhu or Shiva or Buddha – No – in their own words there is not even one record other than this one verse. Then you should understand this verse thoroughly. What pushed Bhagavan to utter such a strong word ? Please understand He says samsayatma vinasyati means He is doomed, destroyed. See samsaya is not a crime, doubting is not a crime. May be Bhagavan saw Arjuna’s doubt was not just about the ability of Krishna or stability of Krishna or availability of Krishna, but it was on the very Existence of Krishna Himself!

See when  you suspect the very existence, the very purpose for which HE is – then no help is possible. I have seen sometimes these fellows who are leaving the organization. When they are part of the organization they would not have worked even one inch, they would not have contributed anything to this organization. But when they are leaving they will say – Oh this sanyaas! everything is just bogus. It is just to get more and more people to work for Him. Baba, did you work when you were here? No. You ate the Sangha’s food, you used the organisations’ all the facilities, you used the organisation, you learnt, studied, gained the knowledge. Now you neither contributed and you say it is all bogus! The very purpose, the very existence is doubted. Now naturally the spiritual truths for which the organisation stands or I stand, can’t help this person.  I think Bhagavan has smelt that kind of doubt in Arjuna – the dirty doubt, smelling doubt, nauseating doubt, the doubt of the very existence of purpose of Krishna. May be Arjuna felt Krishna is playing for the side of Duryodhana, He is somehow going to kill me in the war, thats why He is pushing me to wage the war. That kind of a doubting the core; It is like I heal somebody from cancer and that person suddenly doubts – “I think after I get healed from cancer this fellow is going to kill me” – Why?? I am wearing 2 kilos gold chain, may be He wants that, this gold chain may be is attracting Him. He is going to heal me now and take me to the ashram, and then cut my head to take away this gold chain. When you have that kind of doubting the very existence, Bhagavan says nothing can be done. I can be sure. Otherwise Bhagavan doesn’t need to utter such a strong word – vinasyati – samsayatma vinasyati. In all other places He only says ‘ Nameh Bhakta Pranasyati’, means My devotee never perishes!. See, the assurance is OK, great. The positive side is always great that always all the Masters have done – my devotee never perishes. Rama goes to the extreme of saying when He blessed Ahalya, not only My name, whoever takes Your name also will be liberated! Ramakrishna goes to the extreme of saying not only Me, whoever sees My photograph will be liberated. See that is great, that is perfect! Shankara goes to the extreme of saying one drop of Ganges water, only once remembering Govinda or one sloka from Bhagavad Gita uttering, you will be liberated. This is perfect, usual, inspiring, encouraging, given abhaya- great! But unprecedented mood in the spiritual history is this word ‘samsayatma vinaysati’. This word, even if you utter that word you will feel the sourness in your throat as if you ate neem leaf. The bitterness in your throat. But I know how frustrated and sick and tired Bhagavan would have been to utter these words because everyday I face this. I don’t utter this word. I think Bhagavan uttered it. When you doubt the very existence, you can’t be helped. The very purpose, the very definition of that vision you can’t be helped.

“ajnas casraddadhanas ca samsayatma vinasyati|

nayam lokosti na paro na sukham samsayatmanah||”

The next word Bhagavan adds very strongly. Not only enlightenment, he will not have even ordinary world. I can say in this one verse Bhagavan has become like Kala Bhairava. I can be 100% sure Bhagavan has seen in Arjuna’s eyes doubting the very purpose, existence of Bhagavan. See here Bhagavan exists and tells very clearly to Arjuna – Oh my dear Arjuna! Stand up and fight not only you will have the outer world, you will have the inner world, you will be enlightened, you will achieve everything. Convincing him step by step, inspiring him again and again. Giving him the various methods and understandings about philosophies, everything. Now Arjuna has gone to the extreme – the dirty pattern of doubting the very existence of Krishna. He would have thought may be this fellow Krishna is really on Duryodhana’s side, He is pushing me to wage the war so that I will be killed, then He can live with Duryodhana. Otherwise why will He push five of us to fight with 101 of them ? Duryodhana’s were 100 and one was karna. So, 101 were on one side, five was this side. Duryodhana had one sister also but she was not in the war.

Unless the very root, the very purpose was doubted, Bhagavan would not have gone to the extreme of using this word samsayatma vinasyati. And especially to a close friend. Arjuna was not just a friend but beloved for Sri Krishna. I don’t want to create a controversy but I wanted to tell very clearly the fact – both of them were not only psychologically close, they were physically close. Not only the tradition accepts, they both have been the incarnation of Nara-Narayana, means the super consciousness and the reflection of super consciousness. Krishna is Narayana, Arjuna is Nara. In Sanskrit, if you are son of Krishnamurthi; for example your name is Srinivasan, your father’s name is Krishnamurthy, you will be called Kraashnamurthy Srinivasan. In Sanskrit that is the way the language is set. Same way if you are Nara, your father is Narayana. Narayana’s son is Nara. Our source is Narayana. How can you tell somebody who is so close to you, who is literally your own reflection. It is almost like your left hand is cursing the right hand. You own left hand slapping your face. Maybe the situation was really, really, really dirty, that Arjuna doubted the very existence of Krishna. See Arjuna has doubted the Krishna’s ability, that is why He showed the Viswaroopa- Aiy! Here I AM see!. Arjuna has doubted Krishna’s stability- to prove that only He Himself came down to drive the chariot. Arjuna has doubted Krishna’ availability- that is why day and night He was sitting always with Arjuna and proved His availability in the court by appearing and giving cloth to, heap of cloth to Draupadi. He has proved his stability, ability, availability. Please understand Krishna has shown His Vishwaroopa already to Arjuna and to the whole Kaurava team in the Kaurava’s court. It is not that Arjuna is seeing the Vishwaroopa for the first time in Bhagavad Gita. No, It has not yet happened. We are only in 4th chapter. Only in 11th chapter Vishwaroopa comes. Bhagavan shows the Vishwaroopa. But already earlier He has shown. He has proved His ability, stability, availability, and still if He is doubting, if Arjuna is doubting, He is doubting the very purpose, existence of Sri Krishna. That is why Bhagavan is not able to handle, not able to understand. He doesn’t know what to tell. He goes to the extreme saying ‘samsayatma vinasyati’. He literally gives up!

“nayam loko sti na paro na sukham samsayatmanah” -Bhagavan has never used so many na, na, na – the negative in one sentence. In one sentence, He uses so many negatives for 3 times – ‘nayam loko sti na paraha na sukham’. He says neither they will have the ordinary life means this world nor they will have the higher life enlightenment, they will not have any pleasure in their life – ‘na sukham samsayatmanah’

‘ajnas casraddadhanas ca samsayatma vinasyati’

“The one who is ignorant, who doesn’t have trust and who is a skeptic, perish”.

I tell you- if you doubt my ability, I will always show you that I am able, I can. If you doubt my stability, I will always show you with my compassion, I,  constantly in a very stable way waiting for you. If you doubt my availability, I will prove that I am always available for you. But if you doubt My very purpose of the mission, very purpose of My Existence, My vision statement, nothing can be done.

Let me define Me and My purpose – “I am an incarnation in the planet earth to do the job of radiating and sharing enlightenment, the highest conscious existence. If you have any doubt on this My very being and the vision, nothing can be done. Then like Sri Krishna, I have to say samsayatma vinasyati. Other than this if you doubt my ability, if you doubt my stability, if you doubt my availability – nothing wrong. It is not a crime. I will always have patience to show you, to make you understand my stability, ability, availability – everything. I will have tremendous patience to work with you, to inspire you, encourage you. But if you doubt that very root purpose, the source purpose, the cause of my existence then I only have to repeat 4th chapter, 40th verse of Bhagavad Gita –

“ajnas casraddadhanas ca samsayatma vinasyati|”

nayam loko sti na paro na sukham samsayatmanah||”

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